If Linux Fails, Blame Jim Zemlin

**TNT Bot** · Aug 23, 2008, 04:23pm

darthcamaro writes "Everyone asks who runs Linux — to which the normal answer is either Linus Torvalds or 'the community.' But (as Master Yoda once said) — There is another. His name is Jim Zemlin and he is the Executive Director of The Linux Foundation." From the interview linked above: "'I want to be a thousand percent confident that this organization will be around for the next 30 to 50 years because Linux isn't going away,' Zemlin said. 'It's everywhere, and there is no doubt that Linux will be an important platform in the future and we're only at the beginning on the embedded and mobile side. It will be my screwup if we don't have an organization that can help coordinate and grow the development of the Linux platform.'"

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**APK** · 09:20pm

Linux won't fail... It's been around, that I know of when I personally 1st tried it, from around 1993-1994 or slightly beforehand (when I had Slackware 1.02 on CD)... IF it was going to just 'die'? It would have, years ago, & it clearly has not.

PLUS?

Hey, WAY too many BIG corporations use it for various purposes (notables lately are IBM, & GOOGLE (via their AJAX/Linux ANDROID (.apk packages too, lol, & that ENDEARS THEY to me in a weird way, my initials & all))...

One thing Linux has going for it, is FLEXIBILITY & multi-platform portability (which oddly, Windows NT had across PowerPC, MIPS, ALPHA, etc., not just x86) mainly & of course, the fact is it FREE to download + install!

(& since it comes with source, you can "tinker" with it & learn a LOT this way, too, on how the core of a modern OS really TRULY operates).

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Now, being open source is nice, but... it has downsides imo!

E.G.-> A big 'LOT' of "Linux Penguins" also tout it as being 'more secure' than Windows, & both. outta the box/oem stock? Yes, even SeLINUX bearing distros?? Just plain are NOT...

NOT until YOU 'security-harden' them, yourself. CIS Tool (in the security guide here I did & across many other forums) show you ALL this, clearly. I had both tested is why, for a fair comparison (fair as is possible) AND, to illustrate this VERY POINT.

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(Also, being an "open sores" (pun intended on THIS part of my statement), can be a 'downside' too, for security)

How? Well... the point here being that it is MUCH harder to find holes, via tracing vs. actual sourcecode perusal, in a closed source system like Windows NT-based variants (well, NT 3.51-4.0 code was 'leaked' to the web a few years back) vs. Linux being open sores!

Simply because you HAVE to 'disassembly trace' them (a running binary in CLOSED SOURCE like Windows), & that takes debug symbols builds, a GOOD debugger (SoftIce or WinDbg) + 2 machines generally AND have to deal in RAW ASSEMBLER code (& understand it well too - not an easy task, certainly not by comparison to looking @ high level language (C/C++ in Linux' case) sourcecode).

All you need in Linux? The source itself, plain jane text, & some programming know-how, really, to "spot weak spots/chinks in its armor" the simpler task, by far.

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Personally?

It TRULY really doesn't matter to me IF Linux "takes the top spot" either, one day from Windows (The VISTA debacle didn't help MS any this is certain)... I will jump ship as necessary because I do both C/C++ &/or Delphi (which has Kylix for Linux) so, I am "good to go" on either language, & thus, either OS family.

APK

P.S.=> What matters to me is, "AM I USING THE VERY BEST, AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY" & "WHAT IS USED MOST/HAS THE MOST SURFACE AREA + USER ACCEPTANCE" & this? THIS IS WINDOWS NT-BASED OS of the past 2 decades almost now (2000/XP/Server 2003)...

& w/ 53 BILLION in disposable income?

MS hires the VERY best (Mr. Anders Heijelberg for one example, creator of Delphi)... brain-draining BORLAND, regularly, as per usual (even Chuck Jadzewski, co-creator of Delphi & Kylix in fact, quite recently)...

Hey - MS interviewed me, came to me, not I to they... 4 question test, hardest one I ever took, & I answer in 3 diff. languages (C++, VB, & Delphi to hopefully "WoW" them)... still, I did not "make the grade" for their 'crash debug analysis' team...

That told me I have a 'ways to go' before I can even consider THAT level of employ, w/ they... apk

Aug 23, 2008, 06:14pm	#2 (permalink) Re: If Linux Fails, Blame Jim Zemlin
APK Elite Member Posts: 368 Name: The Duke of URL Karma:	Linux won't fail... It's been around, that I know of when I personally 1st tried it, from around 1993-1994 or slightly beforehand (when I had Slackware 1.02 on CD)... IF it was going to just 'die'? It would have, years ago, & it clearly has not. PLUS? Hey, WAY too many BIG corporations use it for various purposes (notables lately are IBM, & GOOGLE (via their AJAX/Linux ANDROID (.apk packages too, lol, & that ENDEARS THEY to me in a weird way, my initials & all))... One thing Linux has going for it, is FLEXIBILITY & multi-platform portability (which oddly, Windows NT had across PowerPC, MIPS, ALPHA, etc., not just x86) mainly & of course, the fact is it FREE to download + install! (& since it comes with source, you can "tinker" with it & learn a LOT this way, too, on how the core of a modern OS really TRULY operates). ---- Now, being open source is nice, but... it has downsides imo! E.G.-> A big 'LOT' of "Linux Penguins" also tout it as being 'more secure' than Windows, & both. outta the box/oem stock? Yes, even SeLINUX bearing distros?? Just plain are NOT... NOT until YOU 'security-harden' them, yourself. CIS Tool (in the security guide here I did & across many other forums) show you ALL this, clearly. I had both tested is why, for a fair comparison (fair as is possible) AND, to illustrate this VERY POINT. ---- (Also, being an "open sores" (pun intended on THIS part of my statement), can be a 'downside' too, for security) How? Well... the point here being that it is MUCH harder to find holes, via tracing vs. actual sourcecode perusal, in a closed source system like Windows NT-based variants (well, NT 3.51-4.0 code was 'leaked' to the web a few years back) vs. Linux being open sores! Simply because you HAVE to 'disassembly trace' them (a running binary in CLOSED SOURCE like Windows), & that takes debug symbols builds, a GOOD debugger (SoftIce or WinDbg) + 2 machines generally AND have to deal in RAW ASSEMBLER code (& understand it well too - not an easy task, certainly not by comparison to looking @ high level language (C/C++ in Linux' case) sourcecode). All you need in Linux? The source itself, plain jane text, & some programming know-how, really, to "spot weak spots/chinks in its armor" the simpler task, by far. ---- Personally? It TRULY really doesn't matter to me IF Linux "takes the top spot" either, one day from Windows (The VISTA debacle didn't help MS any this is certain)... I will jump ship as necessary because I do both C/C++ &/or Delphi (which has Kylix for Linux) so, I am "good to go" on either language, & thus, either OS family. APK P.S.=> What matters to me is, "AM I USING THE VERY BEST, AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY" & "WHAT IS USED MOST/HAS THE MOST SURFACE AREA + USER ACCEPTANCE" & this? THIS IS WINDOWS NT-BASED OS of the past 2 decades almost now (2000/XP/Server 2003)... & w/ 53 BILLION in disposable income? MS hires the VERY best (Mr. Anders Heijelberg for one example, creator of Delphi)... brain-draining BORLAND, regularly, as per usual (even Chuck Jadzewski, co-creator of Delphi & Kylix in fact, quite recently)... Hey - MS interviewed me, came to me, not I to they... 4 question test, hardest one I ever took, & I answer in 3 diff. languages (C++, VB, & Delphi to hopefully "WoW" them)... still, I did not "make the grade" for their 'crash debug analysis' team... That told me I have a 'ways to go' before I can even consider THAT level of employ, w/ they... apk __________________ "I'm Reese: Sgt. TechComVN38416, assigned to protect you - You've been TARGETTED FOR TERMINATION!" Last edited by APK; Aug 23, 2008 at 09:20pm.

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Aug 23, 2008, 04:23pm	#1 (permalink) If Linux Fails, Blame Jim Zemlin
TNT Bot Elite Member Posts: 4,776 Karma:	darthcamaro writes "Everyone asks who runs Linux — to which the normal answer is either Linus Torvalds or 'the community.' But (as Master Yoda once said) — There is another. His name is Jim Zemlin and he is the Executive Director of The Linux Foundation." From the interview linked above: "'I want to be a thousand percent confident that this organization will be around for the next 30 to 50 years because Linux isn't going away,' Zemlin said. 'It's everywhere, and there is no doubt that Linux will be an important platform in the future and we're only at the beginning on the embedded and mobile side. It will be my screwup if we don't have an organization that can help coordinate and grow the development of the Linux platform.'" Read more of this story at Slashdot. </img> More...